Krishna Seva

[unnati]

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Thank you for the kind words......... And also for appreciating the article.
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Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati M. Kadakia

[Trushna]

Thanx Unnatiji I also appreciate this article, your explanation of the different bhavs make sense, but sorry i've got a bit confused....Pushtidasji could you elaborate on what you mean by bhav and love being different? aren't they interlocking and connected? for example,you say that there is a fine line between parental bhav and parental love? but i thought that by having parental bhav for Thakorji you are also loving Him in that way? sorry

Unnatiji im also sorry to you aswell as im also confused by the caution...
my understanding of the caution is that it basically states that earthly love is different from loving God and wrong, i quote "earthly conjugality is purely selfish and is undertaken only because it gives pleasure to ones own self".

The reason why im confused is because in my understanding of pushti marg is that we can only understand how to love Thakorji by loving here on the earth...otherwise how will we know what love is?
earthly conjugality i thought was not always selfish...because you can love your partner and serve Thakorji together with your partner within your home on earth? is that not what Mahaprabhuji wanted? im sorry if i've offended anyone by saying the above, but that is my understanding... please correct and educate me if im wrong.
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Yadi Shree Gokuladhisho dhrutah sarvatmana rudhayi, tathi kimparambruhi loukikai vedikai rapi
Jai Shree Krishna

[unnati]

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Trushnaji, well i think let this be explained by Pushtidasji in his style.
Pushtidasji please solve this query as i dont know what to reply for Trushnaji's query.....
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Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati M. Kadakia

[Pushtidas]

Jai Shree Krishna

Thanks Unnatiji for cornering me, passing the difficult question for me to answer. Like your style Unnatiji, anyway, Trushnaji, I hope to answer your question to your satisfaction.

The reason Unnatiji declined to answer is in two folds. First of all it is bhava and individual bhava cannot be answered by another bhava, and the second reason is the thin line between love and Bhava, you wrote "a fine line" in your posting. I call it a thin line as "fine" is a normal phrase, a typical English, but I wanted to demonstrate that there is deffinately closeness in love and Bhava but a dividing line is that love has to be the index of bhava. This means that love is the feelings which then conforms into the direction of real love that is typed, that is to say that it conforms to the types of different permutations of love, for example, motherly love or love that conjugal the conjugality (Permeshwar maro Pati (husband) che).

So if one's love conform motherly love, then the bhava, which is the next step from love, depicts that kind of love, that is motherly bhava.

Now let's look at the opening statement made by Unnatji in her warning post:

[unnati]

Jai jai shri gikulesh

Pustidasji, thanx for the excellent explanation...........
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Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati M. Kadakia

[Trushna]

Thanx Pushtidasji, your explanation was satisfactory! thanx unnatiji for inspiring me to ask these questions
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Yadi Shree Gokuladhisho dhrutah sarvatmana rudhayi, tathi kimparambruhi loukikai vedikai rapi
Jai Shree Krishna

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

There was one Bhagwadia who asked Shri Mahaprabhuji that which Marg (Path) is better Gyan Marg or Karma Marg?

Shri Vallabh replied both are good but Bhakti Marg is the best.

Unnatiji can you name this Bhagwadia?

Now lets take one shlok of Siddhant Muktavali shlok 19

"--------Ubhayostu Kramenaiva Purvoktaiva Phalisyati

Jnanadhiko BHAKTI MARGA Evam Tasmannirupitah -------"

Both the wise (Gyani) and devotees (Bhakta) are entitled for God's service and both will receive its share of fruit but Bhakti Marg (Path of Devotion ) is superior to Path of Knowledge.

Let us understand this more clearly.

The path of Devotion vouchsafes the achievement of the Supreme Self (Par Brahma). Hence it is higher than the Path of Knowledge. Many people in the world put forth that knowledge (GYAN) is the outcome of Devotion (Bhakti) and knowledge provides salvation (Mukti) .

The knowledge of the unity of the soul and the AKSAR BRAHMA and the knowledge that the whole universe is AKSAR BRAHMA Himself, to know like this is knowledge.

If such a knowledge is dawned upon, still the belongingness to the Supreme Self (Par Brahma) is far away, as the Supreme Being is beyond the AKSAR BRAHMA.

(Hence, Worshipper of the AKSAR BRAHMA greatly suffers !)

Shri Krishna in Shrimad Bhagwad Gita has said the following :-

"Those who surrender all their duties to me and by engrossing in Me, seek my refuge, I absolve them without delay of all the sins."

The path of Devotion (BHAKTI) is, therefore superior to the path of Knowledge.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

[unnati]

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Vasantji, thanx for such a beautiful explanation.

The name of the Bhagwadia who asked Shri Mahaprabhuji that which Marg (Path) is better Gyan Marg or Karma Marg was Shri Purushottam Joshi. And for this disciple Shri Mahaprabhuji wrote Bhakti Vardhini Granth in the year V.S. 1552.
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Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati M. Kadakia

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

That was quick Unnatiji, Thanks. Some Gita Shloks.

Satatam Kirtayanto Mam Yatantashcha Dhrdavrta
Namasyantashcha Mam Bhaktya Nityayukta Upasate

Always chanting My glories, endeavoring with great determination,
bowing down before Me, these great souls perpetually worship Me with
devotion. - BG 9:1

Man Mana Bhava Mad Bhakto, Mad Yaji Mam Namaskuru,
Mam Evaishyasi Satyam Te, Pratijane Priyosi Me

Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your
homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you
this because you are My very dear friend. - BG 18:65 -
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

[unnati]

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Vasantji, that was beautiful shlokas which u explained with refrence to gitaji. Thankyou very much anf if possible please do continue....
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Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati M. Kadakia

[gopal]

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh
Very very true Vasantbhai and Unnatiji, regarding the Prasang quoted by the vaarta Praasang of Purushottam Joshi of Kheralu,. which he requested to shrimahaprabhuji that which path is great? Gyan marg or Karma marg? So ShriMahaprabhuji explained the Importance of Bhaktimarg, which is shresth of both the 2.. How did shrimahaprabhuji differentiated this Bhaktimarg from Gyanmarg and Karma marg to be Great?
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

[Sital]

Jai Shree krishna

It is because the gnan and karma marg relate to the path of law, whereas the bhakti marg is the path of grace?

JSK
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Madhurkomalkant padavali namami
Sital

[unnati]

Jai jai shri gokulesh,

The main purpose for which Shri Mahaprabhuji took birth is to establish "Pustimarg". Pusti means Divya anugrah / Divya Krupa. It also means Nourishment i.e.
1) Sharirik => Nourishment for Body.
2) Adhiyatmik => Nourishment for Soul.

Pustimarg is a devine selection or divine election of the devotees by the lord. The reason for why they are been selected is coz they are pure, chaste and simple love. And this what comes above all in pusti. It is love without any motive. Pusti bhakti is a selfless supreme love for god. Love which is Natural and Spontenious. It is a continious flow. It is an end rather then the means. It is an attainment of the supreme god who is bliss and love.

Pushi bhakti is a grace of god. Here both the end and means is god. Everything is god i.e. praman, pramay, sadhan and fal. If one has to meet the god then pusti bhakti is the only meansand not the other 2 paths i.e Pravah Marg and Maryada Marg. But Karma, Gyan and Upasna are the basic step to attain Pusti Bhakti.

In Karma marg one can make happy to god by doing as per said in scripure i.e Vidhi(Do's) and Nished(Don't). Through Gyan Marg as per the intrest of the soul he comes to know wheather it is the true goal or not. And Upasana Marg is a path of worship of the desired deties through Jap, mantra etc. But all this results to attain Akshar Bhrama and not the communion with god.

In Bhagwatji it is said that "Poshanam Tad Anugraha" i.e. If you have the blessings then only one can get Nourishment. 6th Canto of of Bhagwat is known as Pustiskand i.e. of Ajamil. And then at 10th canto, the episode of Vraj swamniji's and Lord Krishna. Shri Mahaprabhuji's Pusti Marg is based on this 2 canto's as they are the base of Pusti Bhakti.

Please feel free to correct....
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Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati M. Kadakia

[Pushtidas]

Jai Shree Krishna

Well said Unnatiji, that is why Shree Mahaprabhuji also gives us that assurance by saying:

Bhagvanpi Pushtistho na karishiyati lokikam cha Gatim |

God is very generious and will bestow his grace which will always be with bhakta so that all ramification and the worldly rankle (continue cause and sentiment and bitterness) of lokik world. And this is only possible when Atma induges in Seva and bhakti. Seva and Bhakti is the best medicine to recuperate, that is to recover from ill-lokik Maya. This Lokik atmosphere can exhaust atma's self confidence.

That was a lovely posting Unnatiji, well reasearched. Thanks, enjoyed thoroughly.
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Dasa nu das
Pushtidas

[palna]

Jai Shree Krishna,
Agreed Pushtidasji. Unnatiji, thanks I really enjoyed it!
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