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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:37 pm    Post subject: Charansparsh Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna,

The kamal is the source of lila shrushti appearance and the source of appearance of Gopijans and their bhav

To put it in a short way, During daytime it is Viyog (separation) and during night it is Sanyog (togetherness)

The Gopijans consider the daytime as their enemy because it is the cause of separation from their lord

Four stages of swaroop (in presence of) seva by both mind and body
Four stages of swaroop (in absence of) seva by smaran

I hope i have given the right explanation. Please correct me if i am wrong

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna Bhai

many thanks for the hints in the right direction... i will try and follow up.

so if i am understanding a little then in reality (or ultimately) there are Four stages of swaroop seva (whether in sanyog or in viprayog)

- what are these four stages/attainments ?

if i may be allowed to add a little more...

Sanyog swaroop = Shri Gusaiji = Shri Chandravaliji

Viprayog swaroop = Shri Vallabh = Shri Swaminiji
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:54 am    Post subject: Charan Sparsh Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna,

Jagdishbhai, it seems I have confused myself on the 8 attainments of Sanyog and Viprayog.

Erroneously I have posted the ASHTDAL discussion under KAMAL. I am very sorry about this. I have been trying to refer the meaning of these 8 attainments and frankly speaking have got it very wrong!

Please, Please do enlighten me on this as I have been trying to get the correct answer but have failed from few quarters. All this time I have been searching for the right answer but am being told its Gudh bhav and cannot be discussed in general.

Please do help me understand those Sanyog and Viprayog, it says:
4 parts of Sanyog which are part of the Seva in the presence of Lord and 4 parts of Viprayog which puts the sevak in state of Smaran Seva.

Please do help me out on this as I am very desperate myself to understand the fruits of this symbol.

Please do forgive me for the misqoutes as I am also trying to learn.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna,

Thank You for these clarifications... will try and look for the connections
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following is from the pustak mentioned earlier -
"Shri Vallabhadhishna Charan Kamal na divya darshan"

Shri Vaam charan - 12th chinhah - "Asht-dal"

Pushtimargiya ashtvidh aishvaryani praptima bija koi sadhan ni apeksha raheti nathi. fakt Shri Vallabhadhishna charan kamal-ma dhaaran karel ashtdal chinhannaa chintvanthi ta-thaa aapna yashogaanthi ashtvidh aishvaryani prapti thai jaay che, athva ashtvidh aishvarya sahit Shri Vallabh prabhu jivone vash thai ne rahe che.

Aapshri na charan kamal ma dhaaran karel ashtdalna chinhanu Aadhi-daivik swaroop rasaatmak ashtvidh aishvaryanu che, je Shri Yamunajine temna pita Shri Vallabh-bhanuye daan karyu che, te ashtvidh aishavarya rasaatmak asht siddhi roop che jenu nirupan yamunashtakma Shri mahaprabhuji kare che ke:

-1- Saakshaat seva upyogi dehnu daan

-2- Rasaatmak dhaamni divya leela avlokan-nu daan

-3- Tena Rasaanubhavnu daan

-4- Sarvaatma bhaav nu daan

-5- Bhagvaan purna purushottam ne vash kare teva nirgun premnu daan

-6- Prabhune priya thavu tathaa prabhuni pratyek kshane prakat tha-vaa vaadi goodh-rasaanubhavni icchane samji shake tevi sarvagyataa nu daan

-7- Swami-na ananya leela parikarma bhaktinu daan kari shake teva samarthya-nu daan

-8- Bhagvaan raman preshthani raman icchane poshan kari shake teva saamarthya-nu daan.

Aava aath prakarna daan Shri Vallabh charanasth asht-dal-na chintan maatrathi thaay che. te kshan maatra ma potana angikrut svakiyone karuna karvaama samarth che. Je karta bhakt-ne vipra-yog ane sanyog ubhay rite manma praapt thay che, jema chaar prahar sanyog swaroop
bahaar prakat seva male/made che ane avsar ma viprayog sthit thai smaran ma chitt ne vaare che. Aam, aa aath rasaatmak lila na bhaavonu je dhyaan kare ane modhethi gaay che tena hraday ma asht siddhi biraji tena maathaa upar charan renu hamesha gaaje che.

Shri Vaam charan - 13th chinhah - "Kamal"

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Shri Vaam charan - 14th chinhah - "Kumbh"

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Shri Vaam charan - 15th chinhah - "Yav"
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