Krishna Seva

Vasant Punjabi · Admin Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 987 Location: USA

Jai Shri Krishna,

I hope everybody is enjoying and also brushing up their knowledge as this is really a very simple question

Who said these words to whom and when

" It is not proper for a Brahmin to serve a Shudra"

Please feel free to ask for clues as I have learnt few tricks how to give clues from our Dear President.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

Pushtidas · Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:

Jai Shree Krishna

Well, Vallabhi Vaishnavs are "chattur" and they always catch up with the tricks.

cahturai chulhey pado...so we will get our match. Good quiz question, even I am unable to answer this question.
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Dasa nu das
Pushtidas

Vasant Punjabi · Admin Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 987 Location: USA

Jai Shri Krishna,

Vallabhi Vaishnavs above posting is really a very easy one, as once the answer will be revealed even Pushtidasji will say I had read this numerous times, so we are all brushing up the knowledge here as stated earlier.

Who is Chatur ? in my terms

"je shri vallabh ne jane che, ane anubhavye che, ane bija ne anubhav karave che."

sorry about my gujrati hope I am correct or please excuse me and Pushtidasji will correct it for me I know.

Here are the genuine hints for the answer

Who said this words?

hint 1)Our Jagad Guru who also gave us the shodash granth and Shri Subhodhiniji

To whow did he say these words?

hint 2) To God's das please name the GOD.

You all have 60% of the answer balance hint number 3 will complete the answer in full so I will wait to see if you still need the hint number 3 ok.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

Inaxi · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:15 am Post subject:

Jai Shree Krishna

Your gujarati is better than mine Vasantji. Me no speak proper English and me gujarati is "dhabu no dha". And don't worry about Pushtidas. He will be surprised that:

Vasant Bahar aayi hai,Aaj Basant me Vasant Gujrati ka phool khilta hai.[

Ahem.. Here is my answer:

Shree Mahaprabhuji did this vachnamrut to Krishnadasji. And if I am wrong, please do not send me any gift, but you insist then I will be oblidged to except it..huh my luck.
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Jai Shree Krishna
Aham rasam eva labdhiya anandi bhavati |
Inaxi

Vasant Punjabi · Admin Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 987 Location: USA

Jai Shri Krishna,

Inaxibhen you did good but not to the full mark of qualifing for a gift as you did not complete the answer.

I am sorry so dont be dissapointed but better luck next year ok.Anyway the song was good and pleasing.

These were the words in vraj bahsa Shri Mahaprabhuji told Krishnadas

Shri Mahprabhuji Sandya-vandan kari ke yeh vachan Krishnadas so kahe,

Jo Brahmin hoe ke Shudra ki tahal karno uchit nahi hai,

Sudra, Brahmin ke tahal kare to deek hae.

Aiso Shri Bhagwad me Kahyo hai !

In simple english What Shri Mahaprabhuji said was brahmin should not work for a sudra, but Sudra can work for a Brahmin as prescribed in Shrimad Bhagwad.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

Vasant Punjabi · Admin Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 987 Location: USA

Jai Shri Krishna,

Dear vallabhi vaishnavs the answer posted is still incomplete but now it should be easy to complete it so lets see who gets it first

When did Shri Mahaprabhuji say these words ?

hint for you all guess where first then when will become easy to answer.
or more clues will follow.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

Vasant Punjabi · Admin Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 987 Location: USA

Jai Shri Krishna,

This is long pending and since the clue did not work will give the answer and for sure like I said we all will realise this varta was read by all of us numerous times.

Ishwar Duve was a very sincere follower of Shri Mahaprabhuji, but was working as a cook in the house of a Kayasth.

Once , he was taking a bath at Rajghat in Agra. At that time, Acharyaji was offering prayers to Shrinathji. He saw Duve and said to Krishnadas. "It is not proper for a Brahmin to serve a Shudra"

Duve heard these words. He went to Him and said, "Maharaj, you are right but I have to serve a Shudra to maintain myself. I am illiterate; I do not know anything but to cook. Please tell me what I should do?

Mahaprabhuji said, "You are also right in your way. But I know for certain that it is God who maintains all. Only, we must have faith in Him."

Mahaprabhuji's words impressed him and he became His follower.

Balance one can read in the Varta in Braj bhasa it is really an inspiring story. He went to Shri Gusainji spoke about the incident and bacame a cook to serve Shrinathji the work that was done by Uttamshlokdas and they became friends. etc etc.

He even got a boon from Shri Gusainji hope you all know that.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

gopal · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:21 am Post subject:

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

Yes, UttamSlokdas was a very diin bhaav vaishnava. After comming into the shelter of ShriMahaprabhuji, he used to do rasoi. and whenever the other vaishnavas used to come to take prasad, Uttamslokdas used to give more Ghee from own money. SO once a vaishnava said to ShriGusaijibava, that Krupanath, Uttamslokdas used to do like this....So ShriGusaijibava asked that Uttamslokdas why u do so? Uttamslokdas very blissfully gave answer, Krupanath, these all sevaks work hard and had to climb many times a day ShriGirirajji, and they feel tired. So if they eat properly, they can do seva properly And shrinathjibava will not feel shram. So i do it. Listening this ShriGusaiji kept smiling and said nothing to him.
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

Vasant Punjabi · Admin Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 987 Location: USA

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Yes Gopalbhai, but you forgot to add the boon he asked and it was

"If you (Shri Gusainji) are pleased with me then give me this boon,"

"So that I may never be displeased with You. "

All who heard were surprised that, what a boon did he ask thinking him to be only a mere servant as a cook so why should one bother if he is pleased or displeased ?

So how did Ishwar Dube reply all ?????
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

Vasant Punjabi · Admin Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 987 Location: USA

Jai Shri Krishna,

Here is the answer ------- Cool

This is worth understanding the words of Mahan Bhagwadia

Shri Duve said "At present , Shri Gusainji is pleased with me. But I am a very ordinary jeev. So it is possible for me to commit a fault in preparing the Samagiris or in serving Mahaprasad. Under such circumstances Shri Gusainj has every right to get angry and scold me. At that time, what I want is that my feeling of love, respect and devotion for Him should not be polluted.

What I have asked for is this

I should not be displeased with him even when he is displeased with me and got angry at my faults.

Shri Gusainji then Himself confirmed " You can see the greatness of this soul"
What he has asked for is the best boon one can ever ask for. His mind shall never be polluted and he shall for ever remain a very devoted sevak of Shri Nathaji.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

gopal · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:45 am Post subject:

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

Vasantbhai, is this same Bhagwadiya for whom ShriMahaprabhuji created the Navratna granth, and this govind dube used to be from lahore?
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

Vasant Punjabi · Admin Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 987 Location: USA

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Gopalbhai I think you are mixed up.

I was discussing on Ishwar Duve so please re read the varta.

He became the cook at Shrinathji seva.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

gopal · Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

Yeah, sorry vasantbhai, i messed up with the story of govind dube.
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
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Prashant · Vaishnav Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 86 Location: NJ, USA

palna · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:38 am Post subject:

Jai Shree Krishna,

Prashantji, in regards to this question I can only assume that it was a rule applicable to past times. As you may very well be aware that within Hindu dharma there is a hierachy. This hierachy valued the Brahim caste because they were knowledgable and educated, unlike many of the illiterate people of that time. There were social and caste rules and thus it would have been improper for a Brahim to serve another lower caste.

And yes I suppose it was social discrimination but it was also very much practcical for that time. It was a valueing society in that people had respect for others achievements and social positions. Not to say that people in power didnt abuse these positions, because they did!
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