Krishna Seva

[Sital]

Jai Shree Krishna,

Shree Krishna is Purna-purshottam, the original creator, absolute truth and eternal.

Dear vaishnavs do you all agree with the above declaration?

If an outsider would ask one to explain with evidence why we regard Shree Krishna as the original creator, what justification would one provide? Which solid literature have we been given that enables us to be absolutely certain that beyond doubt Shree Thakorji is the Supreme?

Vaishnavs please do participate as that increases the pleasure in satsang

Thanks

JSK
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Madhurkomalkant padavali namami
Sital

[Prashant]

Jai Shree Krishna,
Sitalji this is a wonderful topic. I anticipated this topic to be attempted by everyone because Krishna is the personality whom we worship, whose guna gana we do all the time. Nevertheless this is not an easy question to answer. It is impossible to answer this in few lines. One has to look into Krishna's entire life.

One cannot just look into part of his life and say that he is a purna pushottam. Yet, I will make an attempt to start the topic and am expecting more people to jump in.

First let us start with the meaning of Purna Purshottam. Purna means Complete and Purshottam can have differnt meaning and one of that is personality. So Purna Purshottam means complete personality. Now let us think on this, when can something be complete?? A circle can be complete only when the starting point meets the ending point. A bridge is said to be complete when it has both the ends (across the river). Krishna is complete because he has both the ends. His entire life could be found contradicting because of the two ends he meets. He first leads the proposal of peace and than encourages Arjun to fight. It sounds contradicting but one has to look into the situation on why he is doing so otherwise it is very easy to fall into trap of doubts / contradiction. As we move further we can get more examples like this on his behavior of extreme ends and get its reasoning. But for now let me just curtail this topic by presenting a bhaav.

One meaning of Krishna is black. Not so sure if it really means that or not but atleast we know for sure that he was dark (black) in color. It would be interesting to think why did he choose black color for himself. As a kid have you ever tried to mix all the colors and see what happens. It turns black, right. So what does that mean. Integration of all the color is black. So one bhaav could be integration of everything in this world (universe, jagat) is black meaning Krishna a complete personality.
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Life can be lived in several ways but the quality of your life depends on the things to which you give priority

- Prashant

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Shri Krishna,

To add in short.

There is a lot to say on this topic but main thing is that What Krishna could do no one else can do or copy Him and all His lilas only praise Him.

He could do the impossible as everything is possible for Him
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

[Pushtidas]

Jai Shree Krishna

Thanks Sital for a very interesting and probing question. Prashantji and Vasantji thanks for the attempt. Prashantji if you caste your memory regarding Kankabhishek story, where Shree Vallabh did "Mayavaad" khandan, an arguments regarding "Shakaar" and "Nirakaar" (Is God vissible or invisible entity). During this debate he started with Shreemad Bhagvatji where he proved that Shree Bhagvatji is also one of the Puran, and till then it only was considered as Shree Krishna's lilas and His biography.

After proving the above, Aapshree then proceeded in proving that Krishna is Purna Purshottam, the only God with all seven elements like Shree, yash, virya etc.

Shree Vallabh did conveyed the debate with a style that all the different Achariyashree accepted his arguments. This is where Sital is trying to probe our mind to look into this debate and answer the question. I hope that is what she is after, am I right Sitalji?
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Dasa nu das
Pushtidas

[Sital]

Jai Shree Krishna,

Thanks all for contributing to this topic, considered it to be forgotten, thanks Prasantji for bringing it up again and being the first one to answer.

Yes Pusthidasji, you are absolutely right, was hoping we could indulge deeper into this debate, envisage this argument to have led to several topics and opened up various avenues. You initially instigated this under the subject partatva, however after a few replies it came to a halt. Would be grateful if we could further indulge into the Kankabhishek story where Mahaprabuji won against various strong characters.

Thanking You in Advance

JSK
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Madhurkomalkant padavali namami
Sital

[Sital]

Jai Shree Krishna

People in this world are still investigating whether Nostradamus prophecy of the Twin Towers tragedy can be considered as valid, whilst we have the oldest testament called the Puran where all happenings were described over 60000 years ago.

The writer of Puran was Parashart Muni, who received premonitions from Thakorji within his meditations/dreams. This book describes Krishna’s birth, his father Nandbawa, Ram Avtar etc. By analysing all past predictions, we can assess the validity of the Puran, which is illustrated by history itself and proves the precision of the Puran

Who was Parashart Muni and why was he chosen to write the Puran?

Vaishnavs please feel free to correct my mistakes or elaborate

JSK
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Madhurkomalkant padavali namami
Sital

[Dattubhai]

JAY SHRI KRISHNA,
Sitalji, DO you mean Parashart Muni and VED VYAS who wrote Shrimad Bhagvat are same?I am confused.
Regarding your original question about supporting facts for Puran Purshottam.
In the subodhiniji Shri Mahaprabhuji has written that whatever is told in Dasham Skandh is LEELA done during SARASVAT Kalp,when Shri krishna came on Bhutal with sixteen Kalas and He is PURN PURSHOTTAM.
second example In the Sabha(assembly)of Yudhisithirji Shri Narad Muni introduced Shri Krishna as Bhagvan Himself.
Dattubhai.
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Jay Shri Krishna.

[unnati]

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Dattubhai, Parashart Muni and Veda Vyasji are 2 different Personality;

Veda Vyasji is son of Parashart Muni. Here is the story....

On a bright day sage Parashart was to cross the river, so he asked the Satyavati who was born as a daughter of a fisherman. Being a fisher woman she used to smell of fish. Therefore, she was called ‘Matsyagandha’ (meaning ‘one who smells of fish’). She used to ferry the people across the river. Matsyagandha agreed and started the ferry. They were the only two in the boat. Sitting in the boat with the girl, the sage Parashar was possessed by desire for that girl. So he requested the girl to satisfy his lust. Matsyagandha refused to comply with his request as there was bright daylight. So Parashar Muni with his power created darkness. She then carried the ferry to a small island in the middle of the river. Parashar Muni got his lust satisfied there.

On that island (dweep, in Sanskrit), no sooner did the intercourse was over, the child was born. The son bowed towards his mother and told her “I am the one who is known as ‘Krishna Dwaipayan Vyas’. I am going now, but whenever you want any help, just think of me and I shall present myself to solve your difficulty.”

This is the same Veda Vyasji who wrote Mahabharat and in Mahabharat itself he has narrated this story of his birth. Dwaipayan mean born on a dweep – island. Krishna because it was dark at that time, darkness created by Parashart muni with his supernatural powers.

Afterwards Matsyagandha married King Shantanu, who was the father of Bhishma. After marriage King Shantanu changed her name as Satyavati. To her two sons were born, Chitrangada and Vichitravirya. After Shantanu, the elder son Chitrangada became the king. But soon he died in a battle. Since he had no child, Vichitravirya accessed the thrown. He was a sexless person. Bhishma conquered the King of Kashi and brought his three daughters, Amba, Ambika, and Ambalika. He arranged their marriage with Vichitravirya. But Amba refused so Vichitravirya married Ambika and Ambalika. Soon Vichitravirya died. Thus he had no son with his two wives and the thrown had no heir. Bhishma had taken the vow not to ascend the Hastinapur thrown. Now it was necessary to have an heir to the thrown. So Satyavati requested Bhishma to favour the wives of Vichitravirya with sons. She suggested that siring sons with brother’s wife is not immoral.

Bhishma refused to comply with this request of his step mother, not on the grounds of immorality, but because he had taken the vow of lifelong celibacy. At that time Satyavati remembered of Vyasji who was her illegitimate son before the marriage. He also was a step brother of Vichitravirya and had moral sanction to sire the sons of the two queens. So Satyavati remembered Vyasji and as promised on the day of his birth, Vyas instantly appeared before her and asked her the reason for calling him. She explained the problem and Vyasji was willing to comply with her request.

He first slept with the elder Ambika, who just could not bear the brightness of Vyasji and closed her eyes. So the son born was blind. He was named Dhritarashtra.

Next he slept with the younger one Ambalika, who turned white out of fear. So the son born was white and anemic. He was named Pandu, which means white.

Satyavati then called Vyasji again and made a request for siring a son. She sent Ambika to Vyasji but Ambika did not go herself. She sent her maid servant to the bedroom to sleep with Vyas. The son born was named Vidura and throughout Mahabharat he was referred to as Dasiputra. Being the son of a maid servant, he had no claim to the thrown.

Please feel free to correct....
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Unnati M. Kadakia

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Shri Krishna,

Just to add to the topic about the Purans with my limited knowledge

Lying on Sash-Shya in Shir Sagar Purnapurshotam Bhagwan Shri Krishna thought of Creation He (Shri Krishna) initially accepted all three Gunas Satvick, Rajas, Tamas. Than He removed each Guna in form of Dev, i.e.

His own Satvick Guan Swaroop Bhagwan Vishnu/Narayan,
Rajash Guan Swaroop Brahmaji
and Tamash Guan Swaroop Mehesh (Shiv).
Than He narrated Chathursoloki Bhagwat to them.

When Purna-purshotam Bhagwan Krishna thought of Trilok’s creation, He as Prush created Brahmaji. Brahmaji looked around in all direction that is why he has four heads, but he could not see anything. He heard two alphabets “TA” “PA” means “TAPA” (penance) from the Shir Sagar (ocean) as if He (Shir Sagar) was talking to him. He understood clearly that Bhagwan has ordered me to perform TAPA. He performed Tapa for thousand Dev-varsh (Dev’s years).

Bhagwan Vishnu/Narayan was pleased with his Tapa. With the grace of Bhagwan He (Brahmaji) could have Dharshan of Vaikunt lok. Then Bhagwan narrated CHATUR-SHOLOKI BHAGWAT. This was the first time Shri Brahma heard Bhagwatji and understood the message of Purna Purshotam on the creation. Then Shri Brahmaji narrated Bhagwatji to Shri Naradji and Shri Naradji, who in turn narrated to Shri Viyasji and Shri Viyasji narrated to Shri Sukhdevji, Shri Sukhdevji. Shri Sukhdevji narrated the Bhagwatji to Raja Parikshit at that time Shri Sutji was present. This narration in line is of “Padmapuran”.

The second narration in line is to Shri Vasudev swaroop Shri Shankarshan, Shri Shankarshanji narrated to Shri Sannat kumars (4 brothers-sons off Bramahji), Shri Sannat kumars narrated to Shri Shankiya Muni, Shankiya Muni narrated to Shri Paraa-shar-ji, and Shri Paraa-shar-ji narrated to Shri Maytrai-ji.

This narration in line is of "Iskandpuran".
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

[Prashant]

Jai Shree Krishna,
If I am not wrong Sukhdevji is the son of Vyas Muni. Is he the same Veda Vyas, son of Parashart Muni? If so than Pandu and Sukhdevji are half brothers. And Parikhshit whom Sukhdevji narrated bhagwat is his great grandson.
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Life can be lived in several ways but the quality of your life depends on the things to which you give priority

- Prashant

[Dattubhai]

JAY SHRI KRISHNA.
Unatiji,the story of Parasharji and Matsyagandha which I have heard is little different I will write it below.
When crossing the river by boat he saw Matsygandha because of his
achievment due to yog he predicted that if she at this time gets pregent the son which will take birth would be extra ordinary and will be very famous and will do wonderful work on earth.even after giving birth she will remain maiden(kumarika)
Parasharji told that to Matsyagandha and with her concern he got her pregent.
Rest of the story goes as you discribe.

Prasantji, Yes Ved Vyas is the same,Father of Sukdevji.
During mahabharat period whoever may be the father of the kid but it will be consider as son or daughter of the person with whom she had married. it was tradition.Otherwise all the five pandavas have different father but they are consider as sons of Panduraja.
Dattubhai
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Jay Shri Krishna.

[Pushtidas]

Jai Shree Krishna

Yes Dattubhai, I think your version is what I have come across in Puran's evolution Pustak (book) and the prediction of time and the great child birth then she stays Kumarika (virgin) is what really was the main reason why he asked Matsyagandha to have child with him.

Good going Unatiji and Vasantji. Thank you Sital for keeping the topic alive.
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Dasa nu das
Pushtidas

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Shri Krishna

Some Brief Information About Srila Vyasadeva. from Shrimad Bhagwad.

"When the second millenium ('Dwarpa Yuga') overlapped the third ('Treta Yuga'), the great sage Srila Vyasadeva was born to Parasara Muni in the womb of Satyati, the daughter of Vasu (the fisherman)."
(Srimad Bhagavatam 1:4:14.).

In Srila Vyasa's childhood he was called Krsna, because of his dark complexion, and because he was born on an island at the confluence of the Sati and Mati Rivers he was called Dwaipayana. After dividing the Vedas he got the name Veda Vyasa. There are some who say that Krsnadwaipayana Veda Vyasa took his birth at a place now known as Vyasa Goofer, the cave of Srila Vyasa in present day Nepal, on the road from Pokara to Kathmandu which was, in days of yore, part of the kingdom of King Janaka. There are local records that support this statement, which say this was the 'ashrama' of Parasara Muni and at this place Srila Vyasa was conceived. They also lay claim that later Srila Vyasa came back to that 'ashrama' and stayed there for some time, and this being why there is a small Deity of Him at the entrance of the cave. The Padma Purana however says that he was conceived on an island created by Parasara in the Yamuna river, in connection with the place known as Soma Tirtha ghat. Some also say that the birth place was at Damauli.
Anyway, everyone at least agrees that the date of Srila Vyasa's appearance was on the twelfth day of the light fortnight in the month of Vaisaka (April-May), called Vasant Dwadasi.

The following is the story that we just touched upon mentioning how Srila Vyasa came to make His appearance.

Once the hermit Parasara became attracted to a fisher girl of the name Matsya-Gandha who was found inside a fish. (The fish was actually a celestial maiden named Adrika who conceived two children by collecting the semen of the King of Chedi when his semen had fallen into the water of a river after seeing two animals engaged in coitus.) Parasara Muni asked the beautiful Matsya-Gandha, so named because of her fishy aroma, to take him in her boat from one side of the river to the other, but the beauty of this damsel, her bodily movements from the rowing, aroused lusty desires in Parasara. When he sat close to her she moved away, and asked him not to violate her chastity, but Parasara Muni being already too far carried away, created an artificial fog on the river and seduced her right there in the boat. He then created an island in the river and on that island the girl conceived a child in her womb. Parasara explained to her that even after the child was born she would remain a virgin and the son born to her would be a portion of Lord Visnu and would be famous throughout the three worlds. He would be a man of purity, the spiritual master of the entire world, and He would divide the Vedas.
Srila Vyasa soon grew into everything that Parasara had described, and had many disciples.

Later in life it is recorded that Srila Vyasa returned to this island in the river and there compiled the Srimad Bhagavatam. Recorded is another instance when Srila Vyasa called for Ganesa (the elephant-headed 'deva') to write the Mahabharata as he related it to him. He did so on the condition that Srila Vyasa continually recited, and Ganesa, having perfectly understood the meaning, wrote down the Mahabharata. The word "Vyasa" means one who describes elaborately.

"The great sage, Srila Vyasa who was fully equipped with knowledge, could see through his transcendental vision the deterioration of everything material, due to the influence of the age. He could also see that the faithless people in general would be reduced in duration of life and would be impatient due to lack of goodness. Then he contemplated for the welfare of men in all statuses and orders of life. He saw that the sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which people's occupations could be purified, and to simplify the process, he divided the one Veda into four, in order to expand them among men. The four divisions of the original sources of knowledge (the Vedas) were made separately, but historical facts and authentic stories mentioned in the Puranas are called the fifth Veda."(Srimad Bhagavatam 1:4:17-20.).

"Thus the great sage Srila Vyasadeva, who is very kind to the ignorant mass, edited the Vedas so they might be assimilated by less intellectual men. Still he was not satisfied, even though he was engaged in working for the total welfare of all people. Thus Srila Vyasa, being dissatisfied in heart, began to reflect within himself. 'I have, under strict disciplinary vows, unpretentiously worshipped the Vedas, the spiritual master and the altar of sacrifice. I also abided by the rulings and have shown the import of disciplic succession through the explanation of the Mahabharata, by which even women, shudras and others (friends of the twice born) can see the path of religion. I am feeling incomplete, though myself I am fully equipped with everything required by the Vedas. This may be because I did not specifically point out the devotional service of the Lord, which is dear both to perfect beings and to the infallible Lord'."
"Srila Narada Muni (who was another son of Prajapati Brahma) reached the cottage of Srila Krsna-dwaipayana Vyasa on the banks of the Sarasvati, where Srila Vyasa was staying at that time, just when Srila Vyasa was regretting his defects. At the auspicious arrival of Srila Narada, Srila Vyasadeva got up respectfully and worshipped him, giving him veneration equal to that given to Sri Brahmaji, the creator. Srila Narada then said: 'O Srila Vyasadeva, your vision is completely perfect. Your good fame is spotless. You are firm in vow and situated in truthfulness, and thus you can think of the pastimes of the Lord in trance for the liberation of the people in general from all material bondage. The people in general are naturally inclined to enjoy, and you have encouraged them in that way in the name of religion. This is verily condemned and is quite unreasonable. Because they are guided under your instructions, they will accept such activities in the name of religion and will hardly care for prohibitions.' And so Narada Muni, Srila Vyasadeva's spiritual master, instructed Srila Vyasa to compile the Maha-Bhagavat Purana (Srimad Bhagavatam) now in his maturity for the benefit of all mankind, to which Srila Vyasadeva agreed. He presented the glories of Krsna and His many incarnations just after the departure of Lord Krsna from this world. (Excerpts from Srimad Bhagavatam 1:4:24-33.).
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----