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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:09 am    Post subject: seva Reply with quote

Jai jai shri gokulesh

What is seva in pushtimarg?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Unnatiji this is a very vast subject but anyway will start then all can join in describing each and every seva.

There is Tanuja, Vitaja and Mansi seva

Well that is not enough as still there is

Smarpan, Kriyapadi, Sadhan Seva is that all

No

There is still what we call is

Sadhanroop seva and Fulroop seva

There maybe more but I dont want to confuse you all.

So now Unnatiji please explain us one by one.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Well vasantji, if i was knowing then why i would have asked this question. Please describe one by one if i know then i will surely join. Also want other Vaishnavs to join.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Ok Unnatiji this assistant will help you Laughing

Lets start with what is seva and what is bhakti first

Seva means Service

Bhakti means Devotion

As the object of Seva or service and Shrawan, Keertan and Smaran is the same viz., to keep the mind engaged in the Almighty. Shrawan, Keertan and Smaran are considered to be a part of Seva. As the object of Bhakti (devotion) is to love the Almighty, Seva and Bhakti are used in the same sense.

Fruits of Seva.

According to the doctrine of Pushti Marga, fruits of all actions and of service are dependent on the Grace of the Almighty. When He is pleased with the service, the following fruits are generally obtained.
1). The acquisition of supernatural powers. This includes all kinds of Siddhis or Miracular powers.
2). Sayujya. This means either Union or Association with the Almighty.
3). Acquisition of a spiritual body fit to serve the Almighty and to carry out His orders in Vaikunth and other worlds.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Seva with Body & Money (Tanu-Vittaja-Seva):

To make a mind concentrate in Shri Krshna, Shri Acharyaji shows a remedy in 'Sindhaantmuktawali' and 'Bhaktivardhini'

as "Chetastatpravanam seva tat sidhhyaiyee tanuvittaja…." Bijdhardhya prakarastu grihesthitwaa swadharmataha. Avyaavrito bhajaet krishanm poojaya shravanadibhihi"

means to concentrate on Shri Krshna and to consolidate the seed of devotional sense, Pushti Bhakta should start devotional worship of Shri Krshna in his own house by his own body-wealth -mind with the co-operation of other family members, observing rules of Varnashram dharma as per an individual capacity and also performing nine types of worship prescribed in scriptures of Bhakti.

He is required to perform Krshna Seva as a prime concern and thereafter he may get involved in other business. Here an objectionable ego and attitudes of possessiveness can be refined by offering one's own body and one's own money (Tanu-Vittaja seva) respectively for Shri Krshna- worship and it helps in Chitta viniyoga i.e employing mind in the service of Shri Krshna.

Here while defining term 'Tanuvittaja' , Shri Prabhucharan and Shri Purushottamaji, say that offering money to other to perform seva, or to accept money to perform seva, is never considered to be a Pushti seva. Such seva with other's money cannot materialize in to concentration of mind in Shri Krshna as in yajna, the hired purohit is not to get the fruit of the yajna. On the contrary, if such acceptance of wealth from others, taken for his own Lord Krshna, to whom a person is serving him in his own house, is used for his own livelihood/fame, then this person is to be treated as 'devlak' i.e. the lowest category of soul with a great offence. Shri Gusainji, the second son of Shri Acharyaji in his short treatise named 'The swan of devotion' clearly says that any devotional practice done due to motive of earning livelihood or fame etc. is merely worldly profession like farming. Moreover it is sinful, also like using holy water of Ganges in toilet, for defecation. Similarly by offering money to other for performing seva is also fruitless as it generates pride, which is hurdle in getting concentration of mind in Shri Krshna. In vedic yajna, the donor is benefited but in Pushti-bhakti-marg such a style of worship is not prescribed any where.

Thus devotion/seva as prescribed by our Acharyas with body-wealth is not possible anywhere except our own house. This is explained by the grand son of Shri Vallabh, Shri BalKrshnanji while commenting on the above verse of 'Bhaktivardhini' according to him this verse indicates the nature of place of worship which is a devotee's own residence.

Mansi seva is a higher stage which can only be reached after one has fully engrossed in Tanu-Vittaja-Seva with his own body and money there are many bhagwadias who had reached this stage if one has read 252 and 84 vaishnav vartas so will request Unnatiji and others to mention some names and its meaning in depth.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Thanx Vasantji for explaining so beautifully. Even i got something Smile

In treaties "Siddhanta-Muktavali", Sri vallabhacharyaji has described 2 catagories of service refering to the stage of devotees:

1. Phala-rupa Manasi Seva
2. Sadhana-Rupa /Tanu-Vittaja Seva

1. Phala-rupa Manasi Seva

When the devotees is completely attached to Sri krishna with profound affection and without a least deviation of mind, the service in suchstate is called as "Phala-rupa Seva" the service in the state of accomplishment(maturity) or service in the form of fruit. it is known as Manasi Seva.

2. Sadhana-Rupa /Tanu-Vittaja Seva

Sadhana means an instrument. The service which is under instrumenal stage is called "Sadhana-Rupa Seva". 'Tanu' means Body and 'Vitta' means Wealth. The service that is performed with ones own body, one's own wealthand in one's own house is known as "Tanu-Vittaja Seva". This is called instrumental because in the beginning application of mind and intensityof love remains at a low level.

Tanu-Vittaja: Dedication of everything.

At the time of receiving initiation,Declaration is made by devotee to dedicate his Body, Home, Family, Wealth Etc. along with his soul to Shri Krishna.

"Sahashtra parivatsar........................"

Such oral dedication that is performed before Shri Krishna Is called "Nivedana" (Declaration). when all this orally dedicated objects are takenin use of worship of Shri Krishna,it is called as "Samarpan" (Dedication). Until they are dedicated in the serviceof Shri Krishna, the orally dedicated objectsremains as undedicated. may it not be forgotten that those who have receivedBrahma-Sambandha have to stop using objects that are Undedicated.

In treatise " Siddhanta-Rahasya", Shri Vallabhacharyaji has given an instuction of dedication of all belongings:

"Nivedibhih samarpyaiva sarvam kuryad iti sthitih"
Meaning:
It is a rule to be observed that a person who has dedicated himself to Shri Krishna should take in his use any object and should do any work only after dedicating them to Shri Krishna.

"Tasmad adau sarva karye sarva-vastu-samarpanam"
Meaning:
At the outset of any work, Therefore all object should be dedicated to Shri Krishna.

This dedication of one's all belongings that is instructed in the treatise of " Siddhanta-Rahasya" is the very propound of "Tanu-Vittaja Seva".
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jai Shree Krishna,
WOW.... this is really good. Alot to take in but thank you Unnitaji and Vasantji, please do continue....
Jai Shree Krishna Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

That was nice Unnatiji welldone. Let me add some more Pushtidasji's style

Most of the Falroop sevas concept is from Sevaful granth. If one has to do seva then he/she has to do seva per "VIDHI" (as per set concept) and for the Lord (Bhagvaan na arthay). This is what we say TANUJA and VITUJA seva. Once Tanuja and Vituja seva concept has been achieved and with pure (sudh) devotional and saran samarpan seva(total surrender); a sevak will be able to gain MANSI-SEVA (mental generated seva concept).

If we read 84 or 252 vaishnav vartas many had reached this stage of mansi seva and Unnatiji can you recall some names?

So to what we are doing in practical adherence is known as Kriyapadi seva. And anyone who does seva as per COMANDMENTS (per sidhaant) and does kriyapadi seva , then this seva is known as SADHAN SEVA. So all kriyapadi seva is a sadhan seva and when through the sadhan seva when Shree Prabhu appears as Saxshat (in true literal real time factor presence)form, then that saxsahat anubhav (real time vision of God) is FULROOP seva.

There is not much difference in practicing Sadhanroop seva and Fulroop seva, but in sadhanroop God will make you feel his presence and make a gesture to ask for his favourite items (sadhanroop seva ma thakorji anubhav karaway and wastu ni praynna karawi magi lia), and in Falatmak seva He (God) will be there in reality and ask for his favourite items (falatmak sevama thakorji pratiyax padhari joyti wastu magi la chai).

So this in short the understanding of Sadhan seva and Fulatmak seva.

Unnatiji and vaishnavs please do continue.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAI JAI SHRI GOKULESH

Vasantji, Excellent explanation. Some names who had reached the stage of mansi seva are KING AASHKARAN AND PADMANABHANDAS.

Also Please reply for Seva of deties.
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